Beter sound - solved

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1fspeed
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Beter sound - solved

Post by 1fspeed » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:55 am

Found a somewhat contrived way to improve the sound and dynamics of the Playground session app.

The sound of my Yamaha P-80 is dramatically better than the Playground app. Problem is with my headphones plugged into the keyboard I can't hear the metronome, or accompaniments of the app. With headphone into my computer the piano sounds terrible.

Solution. Two pair of headphones.

Ear buds into the computer so I can hear the app, and over the ear phones plugged directly into my keyboard. With the volume of the piano turned to 0 in the app, I now have the best of both. Piano sounds nice, the app tracks and scores my playing and I can hear the metronome etc.

It's a bit of an ear full, but it works.

sw1tch73ch
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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by sw1tch73ch » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:12 am

My solution is to use a small mixer with the piano and computer plugged into two sets of stereo inputs, adjust the volumes as desired and then output the mixer to a small stereo amplifier. Headphones plugged into the mixer would be an option.
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Paulopedia
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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by Paulopedia » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:04 am

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Three words: Midi Audio Interface... I don't use the sound from either my digital piano or PGS. My piano sound is from a VST acoustic grand piano sample library called Addictive Keys. It runs on the computer. The PGS virtual piano is turn off as is the sound from my keyboard. All of the audio processing and whatnot is done by the audio interface. Another advantage of that is that it eliminates latency when you plug in a non-midi intrument to your computer.

Harryleo
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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by Harryleo » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:44 pm

Yeah agreed, onboard sound has been very good for years and is all most people need. I haven't added a sound card into one of my gaming rigs in more than a decade, (it used to actually affect performance once upon a time).But my advice is simply don't worry about it, odds are very good he'll be happy with onboard sound and if not there are all kinds of add in external or internal devices you can add later. Or he could just go for a USB headset with it's own codec and amp and then it doesn't matter what's in the PC.My only negative comment about onboard sound is that it can lack enough volume if there's a lot of ambient noise around if you connect directly to the line out without some form of amplifier. Personally I hate headphones and use a nice pair of bookshelf speakers and a small amplifier.

G NC
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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by G NC » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Paulopedia wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:04 am
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Three words: Midi Audio Interface... I don't use the sound from either my digital piano or PGS. My piano sound is from a VST acoustic grand piano sample library called Addictive Keys. It runs on the computer. The PGS virtual piano is turn off as is the sound from my keyboard. All of the audio processing and whatnot is done by the audio interface. Another advantage of that is that it eliminates latency when you plug in a non-midi intrument to your computer.
Paulopedia, I too have Addictive Keys. It's running on a older PC but with Windows 10. The grand piano sound is excellent, but I'm a little confused about how to have both Addictive Keys and PS read the MIDI output from my keyboard at the same time. Is that what a "mixer" does?

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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by Laurensss » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:45 pm

G NC wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Paulopedia wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:04 am
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Three words: Midi Audio Interface... I don't use the sound from either my digital piano or PGS. My piano sound is from a VST acoustic grand piano sample library called Addictive Keys. It runs on the computer. The PGS virtual piano is turn off as is the sound from my keyboard. All of the audio processing and whatnot is done by the audio interface. Another advantage of that is that it eliminates latency when you plug in a non-midi intrument to your computer.
Paulopedia, I too have Addictive Keys. It's running on a older PC but with Windows 10. The grand piano sound is excellent, but I'm a little confused about how to have both Addictive Keys and PS read the MIDI output from my keyboard at the same time. Is that what a "mixer" does?
Hi G, no you shouldn't need any extra hardware to do that. I Don't know if Windows has any additional loops to jump through but on my Mac here Garageband and PGS both receive the piano MIDI without issue, so GB can render the piano audio and PGS handles all the rest (piano volume in PGS = 0). Caveat: due to the way PGS is programmed, unfortunately the piano demo sounds are silenced as well in this way.
A mixer is handy if you want to, for example, use headphones with both the original sound of your piano and the sounds made by PGS.

It depends on your specific set-up wat is the best option; it may be that your plano has an aux input that you can connect the PC to, then from the piano to headphones or speakers. My piano dos not so I run the piano and Mac audio signals through a simple passive mixer for headphone level signals (Djocolate). Cheap, but works reasonably well if your 'phones are sensitive enough. Low tech solution I've seen here: wear earbuds and headphones at the same time :D

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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by G NC » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:56 pm

Just discovered that my MIDI cable (iConnectivity "Mio") has an optional downloadable MIDI driver that allows the MIDI signal to go to two (or more?) running programs simultaneously. Unlike a Mac, Windows 10 PCs won't do that without such a driver. Typical convoluted Windows solution, but it IS now working! Thanks for your clarification on the Mixer.

Paulopedia
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Re: Beter sound - solved

Post by Paulopedia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:21 am

G NC wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:56 pm
Just discovered that my MIDI cable (iConnectivity "Mio") has an optional downloadable MIDI driver that allows the MIDI signal to go to two (or more?) running programs simultaneously. Unlike a Mac, Windows 10 PCs won't do that without such a driver. Typical convoluted Windows solution, but it IS now working! Thanks for your clarification on the Mixer.
Your "cable" is a MIDI to USB interface... without the audio capabilities of my audio + MIDI interface. If all you're going to do it connect a MIDI controller to a PC then your cable is likely all you will ever need. As for me, I have guitars, microphones, a digital piano, a synth-action keyboard controller, an MPC Pad controller, a television, and a PC workstation hooked into my audio interface... all of which can be played out through my studio monitors and sub-woofer.... That way I can monitor everything through either my headphone monitors or the aforementioned studio monitors (and I can adjust the levels of each independently.)

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