Time Signature question

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Re: Time Signature question

Post by Judex » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:28 am

Yeah, I read David's post about why PGS decided to go with 4/2 - but I also saw a post above by someone who gave up on the program/app/whatever because of it. As I said, I'm looking forward to the end of it - being comfortable with what they switch to later on is an advantage for those who are already comfortable with it. By now I'm used to it, but I do wonder how it feels going the other way. My nephew in the 4th grade is starting trumpet with Tradition of Excellence, and they're hitting the kids with eighth notes (slurred and tongued) from the start, and with trumpet, you'd think there was enough of a challenge just gettig a note to sound, let alone a specified note, let alone at a specified time. (He seems to be thriving, not sure about the rest of the family.)

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Re: Time Signature question

Post by sw1tch73ch » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:45 pm

The Trumpet plays one note at a time, so the more advanced notation can come quick. We're usually worried about coordinating two notes at least and by the end six or more at a time.

And I still agree; I think we could have started with 4/4 time. Playground Sessions team didn't think so. We disagree on that point (me and Playground Sessions team), and they're the gurus, if you will, so I concede to their judgement at least a little. I think people who don't give it a chance are giving up too easy and missing out on good stuff. Essentially what Playground Sessions has done is write everything in 2/2 time or Cut Common Time (𝄵). At least for the Rookie level.
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Re: Time Signature question

Post by Swampfox » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:57 pm

I don't have a huge issue with it, especially since I use the backing tract to to stay in time. In the beginning everything is either on the beat, or the equivalent of 'straight eighths', so it doesn't really matter if it's 4/4 or 4/2. Somewhere around "Imagine" you need to able to come in or play on the 'and'. I just think that once something is off the count it's better represented by eighths.

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Re: Time Signature question

Post by Judex » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:53 pm

Right, with the backing tracks the notation is not so much a problem as an irritation. Getting all these fingers to the right notes at the right time is the problem - I feel like I just can't think quite fast enough, and when I slow the tempo down to a crawl, then my mind tends to wander... It's a wonder I make any progress at all.

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Re: Time Signature question

Post by rj3711 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:55 pm

I just started playground sessions this week and the 4/2 time signature is really throwing me for a loop. I had played flute from grade school through my senior year of high school. And after more than 25 years of not playing my brain still can't get over a whole note only being counted for 2 beats as opposed to 4 beats while the person counts out 4 to intro the start. After skimming through this thread I get that it was done to simplify the number of notes a person needs to read before really starting to play, but couldn't the same thing have been accomplished by a faster tempo and still using 4/4 timing? Isn't 4/4 one of the most common time signatures to begin with?

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Re: Time Signature question

Post by andrewwegierski » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:38 pm

I understand where you're coming from. You are correct, there's a couple ways to do it.

I'd think of it as two 2/2 measures put together, or cut time. That way you're feeling the half note as the pulse.
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